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OPEN DISCUSSION: ADMINISTRATOR ACCESS

Mrob27 November 29, 2011

This wiki was founded by Jmarsh97, who did a great job creating lots of pages and getting things started.

However, Jmarsh97 has (for good reasons I'm sure) been unable to spend the time to keep in touch with this wiki and take care of the tedious work of killing spam and so on.

Scooter8pie has on a couple occasions contacted the Wikia staff to deal with some of the really extreme cases of spam and profanity, and they were able to help. However, there's a lot of stuff that doesn't rise to the same level of urgency but still ought to be done. For example, it would be nice to be able to un-categorize something, or delete a page whose title was mis-spelled by mistake, etc.

Yesterday I contacted the Wikia staff myself, asking them "what can we do?". They replied:

 From Grunny, Nov-29 01:11 pm (UTC):
 Hi Robert,
 Thanks for contacting Wikia. We have a page on the Community Central wiki
 where you can request admin status on any wiki that doesn't have an active
 admin team. Please see http://adopt.wikia.com for more information. On this
 page you can review the adoption criteria, as well as put in your request
 (remember to always provide a link to the wiki).
 If there's an active user community, please start a discussion on the
 wiki about who would make the best admins, and why you would like to become
 one. Please provide a link to this discussion at the Adoption page, which
 will make it easy for staff to give the rights to the user(s) the community
 agrees on.
 Good luck, and thanks for using Wikia!
 Cheers,
 Grunny

Here is the discussion area for other wikis that have had this issue in the past. You can see lots of different examples of problems that came up and how they were dealt with.

They will appoint administrators if we take the right steps and make a request. One important step is to have an open discussion. here is an example of a discussion like this (in another video game wiki).

Another requirement is we have to wait until it's been 60 days after the old administrator went inactive. Jmarsh97 hasn't been around since Oct 27th, so that gives us a while to discuss this.

Being an administrator is kind of a pain because you're usually the only one who can do things and others will ask you to help. Often you'll get caught in the middle of an argument that (to you) seems pretty stupid but (to those other people) is the biggest problem in the world.

My ProposalEdit

We need at least two people at the bare minimum, and preferably a few more. The important thing is not to break the chain (make sure there's always at least one active person who can appoint someone else to take their place).

You can see a list of all the users here: Special:ListUsers. "Wikia" and "Default" are automatic edits done by the system, so they don't count as users.

Measuring by number of edits, it looks like me and Scooter8pie are the ones who are really doing a lot here, and we seem to have a lot of time to spend on it. I also notice Albert.rutkowski has done a lot but maybe can't visit as often.

So I would suggest at the start, we should ask for Scooter8pie and Albert.rutkowski to be made administrators, and I suppose maybe someone else can nominate me (because it's a conflict of interest to recommend myself :-)

There are several other active users, who have been here recently, and are writing good stuff. I don't want to single people out by choosing where to draw the line, but if you are interested, you should speak up here. Also, if we get new administrators, then you'll be able to ask later. An administrator can appoint others to be administrators.

Request for CommentsEdit

Please put a comment here on this Blog, and tell us what you think about this proposal.

There should be nothing that needs to be said privately. I invite you to be honest about me. For example, you could say "Mrob27, I don't like what you did to the Materials article". It might be hard to say, but it's better than not saying it and then getting angry later if I start doing even worse stuff as an admin.

In any case, just try to stick to the facts and don't call names. Hopefully if there was any real problem with what anyone's been doing so far, then you've already made comments anyway.

Mrob27 15:07, November 29, 2011 (UTC)

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  • Oh, yeah I dropped the ball on this. I was supposed to post an adoption request message here, but I never did.

    For the voting, remember you can use Special:ListUsers to see who's active and click on each user's (Contribs) link to see what they're writing.

    I've been working on RIES so much that I can't even play lunacraft anymore.

    With Apple deciding they don't want to back up the game files anymore, I can't make new maps unless maybe I downgrade back to Mooncraft 1.7. And if a game is ruined by something, you can't restore. You might have noticed I didn't show up on the wiki for a couple weeks.

    I also listened to the webinar on resolving conflicts, and realizing I'm never that good at getting people to calm down.

    by Mrob27
  • I agree we should have say 5 admins (the top voted for admins) someone should make a blog, write down all users and let people vote in comments. After one or two months we will count up ours and everyone else's votes, average the results (In case anyone cheats or miscounts) and the top five will get admin access. I'll start the blog

  • We need to sort this administrator thing out soon. If anyone has anything to add, please post a comment ASAP.

  • And you are doing a superb job on keeping the Wiki going, so just ask on Community Central Wiki Adoption and I'm sure they'll give you the rights.

    • Thanks for the encouragement. We're doing what we can. There was a spam problem, and there are still some dirty words somewhere (I forget where). Categories are apparently impossible to fix without an admin.

      As you can see here next to "eligible to adopt" it needs to be 60 days after the existing admin went AWOL.

  • I make odd edits on the Wiki, fixing up mediawiki and HTML coding, so if you need an admin who's good at programming, I can help you.

  • There is a comment on User_talk:Yoshiyahu that appears to be from Jmarsh97, dated "00:15, December 2, 2011". However if you look at Special:Contributions/Jmarsh97 you can see that Jmarsh97 did not do anything on Dec 2nd, or indeed anytime since Oct 25th.

    (Compare it to Special:Contributions/Mrob27, which shows my activity including a comment I added to User_talk:Yoshiyahu earlier today).

    So, although I briefly thought that Jmarsh97 was back, it appears in fact that is not the case.

    • I just noticed that my own talk page has one of these messages from "Jmarsh97" dated Nov 6th. So it looks like it's some kind of automatic thing that gets done to each new user when they join the wiki.

  • I only come on here every two days or so, and that is usually to point out bugs and help people with their questions. Mainly the former, and I once forgot about the wiki for a week, however that was probably due to spending hours attempting to activate an iphone with no sim card...

    • That's fine. I have it set to email me if someone posts a message to my user page, which doesn't make a lot of emails and lets people get to you if they need help.

      But you can always decide later you want to be more involved, or you could start now and decide later you want to stop (-:

  • Thanks for starting this blog Mrob27. I emphatically nominate you to be an administrator. I do have a lot of time to spend on this wiki now, but I'm not sure how long that will continue.

    • My hope is that by the time you and I get tired of it, there will be other people who have just discovered the game and it can be handed over to them. And when there is no-one else playing the game, it won't matter any more.

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